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1683 to 1691 Transcriptions of traced calls with unidentified woman and S. Malinka, Robert and Michaela, Sally and Jen Murat, and Robert and various other familiars

Transcript of Telephone Interceptions

On 2nd June 2007, in the installations of the Portimao DIC, I, Carlos Moura, Police Interpreter, proceeded to effect the audition of the telephone registers relating to the code 1L769M, translating them into Portuguese:

Session no. 56

Elements related to the transcript:

Information Related to the Session:

Code : 1L769M
Session number: 56
Caller no.: 351282697628
Destination no.: 917462308
Time of initiation of call: 15.05.2007 15:15:08
Final time: 15.05.2007 15.27.31

Conversation in English.


Jen: Hi Sally! Oh..is

Sal: Hi Jen! Can I speak to Robert

Jen: He is speaking on the phone at the moment.

Sal: Then tell him to hang up, because I have Phil here to talk about the phone detecting thing.

Jen: Ah! She’s got, she’s got..

(A voice is heard in the background).

Jen: She needs you urgently.

( A voice is heard in the background saying that he will ring back in a couple of seconds).
Rob: Hello Sal!

Phil: (inaudible)
Rob: I’m sorry (laughs) sorry. Ahm..you probably don’t know me, I’m the man (inaudible) on the television at the moment.

Phil: Hi Robert, yes…

Rob: How are you’ Are you well’

Phil: yes, I’m fine, call me Phil, how are you’

Rob: Hi Phil!

Phil: I’m fine..at the moment I’m at Sally’s house.

Rob: Yes.

Phil: But all the family is here, thats why….

Rob: Yes.

Phil: I’m a police officer from the UK.

Rob: Yes.

Phil: Ahm..Sally told me about your mobile, ahm.

Rob: Signal, I have just, I have just been informed, they tell me that the signal of my two mobiles can be followed.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: Ahm..

Phil: (inaudible) also.

Rob: Pardon, what did you say’

Phil: They can do this (inaudible) respectively.

Rob: What, what does that mean’ Sorry.

Phil: There is a thing called search analysis of a mobile.

Rob: Ok, can I write this down, sorry’

Phil: Yes, of course, yes.

Rob: Search analysis of a mobile.

Phil: Thats right, what this means in practice is that the police could ask your telephone operator…

Rob: Yes.

Phil: Whoever that is..

Rob: Yes.

Phil: Ahm.. the complete history of where your mobile was, the calls that were made, whether incoming or outgoing…

Rob: OK.

Phil: And..perhaps more importantly for you, they can even show where you were or could, could obtain the signal from where your phone was, this, this, I should tell you is not…

Rob: Where I was.

Phil: Certainly, yes, it does not show where you were.

Rob: Yes.

Phil: It only shows where your phone was, but..

Rob: Ok, ahm…but maybe it helps.

Phil: Without doubt, yes.

Rob: And the simple fact that probably you have already heard this a million times, I am completely innocent and simply I have.. you know, I can’t manage to prove that this happened, ahm, and the simple fact is that I am trying to arrange ways of proving where I was.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: At the end of the day.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: And this is a way of trying to do this, I did not know that this was possible.

Phil: Hm..

Rob: Ahm.. and thats why..you know, I was thinking if, if this were done, at the end of the day, because eventually, I don’t know, I, I was here at home, but what reach does it have’ What are does it cover and what does it give’

Phil: Well, this really depends on , on the number of satellites, where you were.

Rob: Right.

Phil: Normally as regards mobiles it can be anything between three and seven satellites.

Rob: Three to seven..

Phil: Yes.

Rob: Three to seven satellites.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: OK.

Phil: And ahm.. this determines…if they were, if they were..lets say, three could locate close to a hundred yards (2.74m) or thereabouts.

Rob: So, about 100 yards.

Phil: Yes, a hundred yards or thereabouts, yes.

Rob: Or thereabouts, ok.

Phil: Ahm… and the more satellites, the more satellites there were, more..

Rob: The closer..

Phil: The closer, they could give a certain location.

Rob: Yes, OK that is absolutely…

Phil: Yes.

Rob: Fantastic, but for example if I were to move, with these, withese satellites, with these phones..

Phil: Yes.

Rob: They would move with me’

Phil: Yes, yes.

Rob: Ah, great, great.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: But you know, what happened was, I was here all night.

Phil: Hm.

Rob: Thats why, if I were, ahm, if I were accused of something then I would have had to have moved from here.

Phil: (inaudible) yes.

Rob: I would not be at the, the , the site, now I can’t remember if I made any calls from these mobiles.

Phil: Ah..

Rob: I will phone my operator in any case:

Phil: Yes.

Rob: And find out whether I made any calls that night with that phone.

Phil: Well, they have the history of your calls, ahm..

Rob: Yes.

Phil: About the, the..

Rob: Well they have of course, of course they have my phones at this moment, thats why..

Phil: (inaudible).

Rob: Yes, thats why they have my phones, my computers, everything.

Phil: Hm..

Rob: But at the end of the day I have nothing to hide, whatever it might be.

Phil: Did you use your computer that night’

Rob: I think not, I’m not sure, I don’t remember to be honest.

Phil: Because, again they can search the .. the history of the computer, thats why..

Rob:Of course.

Phil: If you had used your password.

Rob: Again, again, I gave them everything, thats why they have everything..

Phil: Yes.

Rob: I have nothing to hide, whatever it might be.

Phil: Hmm..

Rob: I didn’t do anything. I’m being crucified.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: The whole of my life is being crucified.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: And…my family are all being crucified, ahm…but I must say that the Leicester police have been absolutely fantastic with my family, even, even helping them.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: I even asked someone from the press to thank the Leicester police for all the work they have done and looked out for family members.

Phil: Hmm, hmm..

Rob: And I hope they will do it, I cannot look out for myself but I asked, asked them to look after this part, you know’

Phil: Yes, and it is better to leave this to them (inaudible).

Rob: They have been fantastic.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: However (inaudible).

Phil: (inaudible) another perspective, another perspective.

Rob: If I manage to think of other perspectives that could..

Phil: Hm..

Rob: Ahm… from the technological point of view, that could place me or situate me, or anything else..

Phil: Hm.

Rob: Please tell me because I am trying some things to see, to prove what I was doing.

Phil: Hmm…

Rob: But, as I have already said, I am desperate really, aren’t I’ You know, they are trying to paint me as a kind of malignant armadillo, when I did absolutely nothing.

Phil: Hm..

Rob: When I tried to help.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: Ahm..it is..it is..I have to say That I am very frightened, when they began, when they began to join things together and ahm…I know that I didn’t do anything.

Phil: Unfortunately the press, well, the impression I have is that the press here…

Rob: Yes.

Phil: They have to behave themselves reasonably well because of the “sub justice” aspect.

Rob: Yes.

Phil: But it is clear that with national (inaudibleit is not put into doubt, but the (inaudible)because now there is an international press, Sky TV can be seen all over the world..

Rob: Yes, thats true.

Phil: And these kind of things, that why I don’t…I’m very.. I’m not familiar with the Portuguese work.

Rob: Yes.

Phil: Ahm…from what I have seen up till now (inaudible).

Rob: Thats right, ok (laughs).

Phil: Yes.

Rob: Well, I wanted to say, I, I have been translating (inaudible) during the last few days.

Phil: Hm.

Rob: And the work they are doing there is absolutely, it even goes into the details, its really good, they follow all leads, of everything in every sense ahm.. and they, they are doing a really good job, I must, I must say, unfortunately I am at the wrong end of it at the moment.

Phil: Hm.

Rob: Ahm, I have to be honest, honest about it even though I hate (inaudible).

Phil: Hm, hm.

Rob: Because they are focussing on me, ahm.. I have to be honest, they are doing a very good job and you know they are involved in this..

Phil: Hm.

Rob: They work even, even in a very consolidated way, in this sense, but..

Phil: Yes.

Rob: Really I shouldn’t be criticising the people who are trying to crucify me.

Phil: Well, yes, there is one thing, from my point of view..

Rob: It doesn’t seem very, very (inaudible)

Phil: Well, you know, these things happen and sometimes, ahm..you could look at other statistics..

Rob: Yes.

Phil: Normally they are people who are known to the family or (inaudiblewho are around and its clear that they want to communicate these kind of things that happen (inaudible).

Rob: Yes, exactly, exactly..

Phil: Ahm..

Rob: The other thing that worries me a lot is that they, they are leaving behind what is important, the little girl at the end of it all. My life is important, don” get me wrong (laughs).

Phil: Hmm..yes.

Rob: My life is important, I don’t want to be crucified and, and crucified and being completely innocent.

Phil: Hm.

Rob: Ahm..and I have been crucified, but they have, I hope they remain concentrated on that which, that which is important and that is finding the aggressors who have the girl.

Phil: Hm.

Rob: I think that at the moment that only I, however ahm.. that is what I, I want them to do.

Phil: Hm..

Rob: That with, that they continue to concentrate on this aspect. Ahm, ok, very, very much obliged for your help, I thank you very, very much, I hope that we manage that this has some result, in some way.

Phil: Yes, this is an alt, another alternative is that if you were at home that night, see what you were doing, with relation to what you were doing that night and who was with you and this type of thing.

Rob: Yes, that is the other side of it, the truth is that I was sitting here with my mother and ahm..I walked around the house and sat down, sat down (inaudible).

Phil: Hm.

Rob: And ahm..this is where the oldest people live basically.

Phil: Hm.

Rob: There are always ambulances passing by.

Phil: Hm.

Rob: And I was helping my mother do some little things, I think she arrived home at about eight ahm.. and I was..I think that I arrived first, I am sure, I think I am almost certain that I arrived first. I cannot remember exactly, that is the problem, I think I arrived first and joined her when she arrived and ahmm..basically I was here all night talking and laughing and that, we heard some sirens pass and I said on, that is just (inaudible) (laughs).

Phil: Hm.

Rob: That a girl has disappeared and that everything led on from there is a hell, it s a hell.

Phil: Hm.

Rob: But now I, I..what I am going to do now is to contact my sister, she is prepared to give a statement to the Leicester police.

Phil: Hm.

Rob: Ahm.. I’m going to ask her to ask whether they ca, whether they have legal authority to do this mobile thing.

Phil: Ahm..an Emglish phone’

Rob: I have an English phone and another Portuguese phone, I carry both of them with me.

Phil: Right.

Rob: Thats why I’m trying to find out the perspective of the English phone.

Phil: Yes, but they could do the same with your Portuguese phone.

Rob: Right, but I don’t know whether they have permission to do this, thats the problem.

Phil: Ahm..

Rob: Or whether they can request this, or anything else, to see if we can…

Phil: Normally not..in the UK you need an authorisation to do this type of thing.

Rob: Right.

Phil: Ahm and (inaudible) nut this is clear (inaudiblewithout your knowing.

Rob. Right, OK.

Phil: Ahm..but, but if you were to speak to Leicester police..

Rob: Hm.

Phil: They would have a mechanism for doing this, now..

Rob: That, that is what I would like to try.

Phil: Yes, yes.

Rob: And..I want to say ahm..at the end of the day, I, I know where I was, its simple.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: And I was not in another place, if you want to know (laughs).

Phil: Yes. I know..the same, the same applies to a fixed phone, if you made a call from a fixed phone you could obtain, you could obtain…

Rob: The signal..

Phil: Well, they don’t detect the signal, they can obtain the calls made and the calls received..

Rob: Yes.

Phil: If you were at home and somebody called, then..

Rob: I think, I think..I can’t remember at what time it was, but I think I phoned my daughter, ahm..although I didn’t speak to her, I left a message on the answering machine.

Phil: Ahm…

Rob: Because I think they were not there.

Phil: But I do not remember exactly at what time that was.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: Ahm..but I hope that it could have been at about that time.

Phil: Hm.

Rob: However, I hope it was by phone, the phone in the house..

Phil: Hm.

Rob: I hope that this places me in a completely different site, at the site where I know I was.

Phil: Yes, yes.

Rob: (inaudible).

Phil: Yes.

Rob: But this is what I am going to try and do now.

Phil: Between, between these two things, between the two mobiles and the fixed telephone and whether you were ending emails on the computer or not…

Rob: Yes.

Phil: All these things could..

Rob: The place.

Phil: They could detect the place where you were (inaudible).

Rob: another, another thing, we have a ..a router that was installed by a private company, well the router, is a (inaudible) router, yes’

Phil: Hm.

Rob: Ahm.. its the type that says..I don’t know what this means, but it says that it is programmed for American time or something like that, there is some specific reason, would that be a problem, or..’

Phil: Well, I could look into that, frankly I think not, but..

Rob: Good, when we talk about this, he says he finds it strange.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: He was curious (inaudible).

Phil: Yes.

Rob: But only about this. OK!

Phil: (inaudible) they, they are technicians, in any way they will soon identify this, yes.

Rob: OK, sir, I thank you very, very much for your help.

Phil: (inaudible).

Rob: Many, many thanks.

Phil: Thats OK, mate, be well.

Rob: Be wll.

Phil: Bye.

Rob: Bye.

Interpretation by Carlos Moura

There not being more to transcribe this file is signed.


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